Kalluto Gender Reassignment

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  • January 21st, 2012 01:00 AM#1021

    is Stolen

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    [QUOTE="Fire Fist" Ace;2497937]Not exactly. Yes, the databook said Kalluto was a "he", but it's not 100% fact yet. It's still pretty ambiguous. Alluka has done several various behaviors, however, that make us pretty sure that her gender is not questioned anymore.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah.

    Alluka is physically a male but emotionally a female. Killua (is the only one who) respects this, by calling her by her gender identity, instead of her sex.
    Thus Milluki and Illumi explicitly calling her their [URL="http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/323/13"]brother[/URL], and the air quotes (present even in the japanese version) where Killua talked about "her" needed to have care befitting that of a girl. The air quotes make the reality pretty apparent.

    Personally I feel if the databook says Kalluto is a he it's more likely to be true than not. This IS Togashi, after all.

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    Last edited by Silence; January 21st, 2012 at 07:57 AM.
    Originally Posted by Wagomu

    There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.


  • January 21st, 2012 05:22 AM#1022

    Sword Saint

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    I don't believe it...It's most likely that most readers will never lay their eyes on said databook so almost everyone will believe that Alluka and kalluto are exactly what they look like, females. Especially Alluka. Body of a male...thats just not right.

    Edit: Pretty sure Killua is gonna introduce her to Gon as his sister. And maybe Alluka is the daughter that no one knows about? Since she's always locked up.


  • January 21st, 2012 07:52 AM#1023


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  • January 21st, 2012 10:22 AM#1025


  • January 21st, 2012 10:34 AM#1026

    Shipmate

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    Implicit characterization also is a thing.


  • January 21st, 2012 10:47 AM#1027


    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    Yeah, I get that, but story-wise, what is the point?

    If this was some random side character (in the same vein as Bon Clay) I wouldn't mind it, but this is Killua's younger brother/sister who is already playing the important role of having a really scary and powerful ability and putting Killua through a severe physical and emotional test. To make him a transgender on top of that just seems so random and unnecessary. Togashi could've just made Alluka a girl and absolutely nothing would change.

    And most importantly, why does he have to look so friggin' much like a girl? Who dressed him up in those clothes and let him grow his hair long? Did the Zoldyck's enable it?

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    I didn't know transgenderism was a character trait.

    --- Update From New Post Merge ---

    Also, I probably should've phrased my original post better. I didn't mean to say that Alluka is gender confused and certainly not that all transgender are confused, but it seems that Togashi is really messing with as far as Alluka's and Kalluto's genders. And I think that's what irks is most that it appears that he's doing it twice, and with characters who look so overwhelmingly female.
    Originally Posted by RobbyBevard

    Alternate gender identification is a thing. It happens in real life. I know a couple people that are transgender. To them, its not "gender confusion crap", its identifying one way and prefering to be what they are, rather than what they were born as. Its a thing.

    And apparently it interests Togashi.

    Originally Posted by Silverblade

    Implicit characterization also is a thing.

  • January 21st, 2012 10:51 AM#1028

    Discovered Stowaway

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    Why wouldn't it be?
    I think Togashi is just trying to show us that Killua understands his sister better than some of the other members of the family
    It's not really a big deal in the story, just an aside.
    Originally Posted by Nobodyman

    I didn't know transgenderism was a character trait.


  • January 21st, 2012 12:53 PM#1029

    is Stolen

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    In Level E, Togashi has an entire plotline about a character who is a woman that identifies as a man who undergoes gender reassignment surgery to mate with an alien queen who fell in love with her at first sight.

    In Yu Yu Hakusho you have Kurama, and other extremely feminine looking characters who are men.
    You have Sensui, who has (amongst other multiple personalities) a sensitive female personality in charge of his emotions that is lovers with Itsuki, a male demon. They're a gay couple, and there's nothing out of sorts about it. Supposedly (rumor has it) in the initial drafts of Yu Yu Hakusho, Togashi comments in the volume inserts Hiei and Kurama were supposed to be a couple initially.

    In Hunter X Hunter you have Kurapica who is notably androgynous but male, Nefelpitou and other Chimera Ants who are supposed to be biologically male and Shaupufu & Yupi who become "queens", Biscuit as this super-buff, masculine superwoman - then the question of Kalluto and Alluka.

    Togashi has always been curious about gender roles and toyed with all sorts of options in his stories. It's not new, nor it is a gimmick, or a big deal. If you want to see his first real in-depth exploration of it, read Level E (or watch the anime which just came out, it was the funniest comedy of last year). He's not doing it to "mess" with you, he's just making varied characters, and the topic of real gender versus sex interest him.

    And I don't get why it would "irk" anybody.
    Originally Posted by Nobodyman

    Also, I probably should've phrased my original post better. I didn't mean to say that Alluka is gender confused and certainly not that all transgender are confused, but it seems that Togashi is really messing with as far as Alluka's and Kalluto's genders. And I think that's what irks is most that it appears that he's doing it twice, and with characters who look so overwhelmingly female.

    Originally Posted by Wagomu

    There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.


  • January 21st, 2012 12:55 PM#1030


  • January 21st, 2012 01:12 PM#1031

    is Stolen
    Originally Posted by Wagomu

    There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.


  • January 21st, 2012 01:34 PM#1032

    I do it !

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    Every mother that has many sons would like to have a daughter, same applies if she has many daughters.

    Kikyo couldn't have the Alluka as the only daughter she wanted because Silva was so wary/scared of her power that he decided to lock her, thus she (Kikyo) turned Kalluto to a girl as a compensation to that lost love.

    That's how i see it and that's what makes me think Alluka is really a girl.

    This page kinda confirms what i said since There's no relationship between Kikyo and Alluka (Silva is in the middle pf that relationship so that explains alot), and Kalluto envies Alluka for one of those two reasons :
    1-He isn't a real girl lika Alluka.
    2-He knows Alluka's place in her mother's heart is bigger than his.

    In my opinion it's the second one (first can be seen as one of the consequences of Alluka knowing he is only a spare daughter so that makes him wanting to take her place).

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  • January 21st, 2012 01:39 PM#1033


    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    So it sounds like this person's gender identity was pretty crucial to the plot. Which is more than can be said for Alluka.

    No comment.

    I think Biscuit's reveal was more done for humor's sake. Also, yeah, Nefelpitou bugged the hell out of me too.

    Fine.

    Could've made her a girl physically and biologically. In other words, nix the transgender stuff and it's the same thing.

    Great. What the fuck does any of that have to with Alluka's storyline aside from her randomly just being that?

    And in case any of you are thinking it, no, I'm not some homophobic jerk-off who can't tolerate homosexuals/transgenders/etc. I really just don't see the point of what Togashi is doing. If he was writing a trashy Yaoi manga even that I'd understand, because that's what girls get off on. But this stuff, it's like "Hey, I'm really interested in gender roles, so I'll just insert a bunch of dudes who look like girls. Take that society!"

    But fine, maybe I just don't get it because I don't have a lot of (in fact, virtually no) firsthand experience with LGBTs.
    Originally Posted by Silence

    In Level E, Togashi has an entire plotline about a character who is a woman that identifies as a man who undergoes gender reassignment surgery to mate with an alien queen who fell in love with her at first sight.

    In Yu Yu Hakusho you have Kurama, and other extremely feminine looking characters who are men.
    You have Sensui, who has (amongst other multiple personalities) a sensitive female personality in charge of his emotions that is lovers with Itsuki, a male demon. They're a gay couple, and there's nothing out of sorts about it. Supposedly (rumor has it) in the initial drafts of Yu Yu Hakusho, Togashi comments in the volume inserts Hiei and Kurama were supposed to be a couple initially.
    In Hunter X Hunter you have Kurapica who is notably androgynous but male, Nefelpitou and other Chimera Ants who are supposed to be biologically male and Shaupufu & Yupi who become "queens", Biscuit as this super-buff, masculine superwoman - then the question of Kalluto and Alluka.
    Togashi has always been curious about gender roles and toyed with all sorts of options in his stories. It's not new, nor it is a gimmick, or a big deal. If you want to see his first real in-depth exploration of it, read Level E (or watch the anime which just came out, it was the funniest comedy of last year). He's not doing it to "mess" with you, he's just making varied characters, and the topic of real gender versus sex interest him.

    And I don't get why it would "irk" anybody.
    Originally Posted by RobbyBevard

    To make HER a transgender.

    In real life its not a choice. You are born how your born, regardless of what your crotch indicates. Usually transgender kids figure out pretty early what they associated as... but have to wait until getting out of school before they can embrace it at all. And thats a subject that interests Togashi, is all.
  • January 21st, 2012 01:48 PM#1034

    Gloomy Cat

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    The word tolerate is a really ugly word, because it implies that hetereosexuals and cisgender people are "allowing" the existence of LGBTQ folk. It has icky subtext.

    And also transgender and homosexual characters get little enough exposure and use in an implicit/natural way where they just are, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Do they need to only exist in situations where there's a "point"?
    And in case any of you are thinking it, no, I'm not some homophobic jerk-off who can't tolerate homosexuals/transgenders/etc.

    Last edited by Pochipochi; January 21st, 2012 at 01:59 PM.


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  • January 21st, 2012 02:00 PM#1036

    Gloomy Cat

    Re: Hunter x Hunter II

    To explain more bluntly, being transgender is a real thing that exists (it is not farfetched and worth feeling out of line, or place), so it also gives Killua and Alluka's relationship an additional layer of meaning (he apparently understands and cares) and also makes Alluka more interesting of a character in general.

    That is the point.

    I also think if his intentions are "take that society", then it's even more justified. But no matter what, even if he just gave the most simple answer in the form of "I like gender identity as a subject", it's justified.


  • January 21st, 2012 02:01 PM#1037

  • Kalluto Zoldyck (カルト・ゾルディック, Karuto Zorudikku) is the youngest child of the Zoldyck family and the newest member of the Phantom Troupe.

    PersonalityEdit

    Kalluto is first seen in the Zoldyck Family arc standing next to his mother Kikyou. He is quiet throughout the exchange between her and Gon, but glares at Killua's friends before following Kikyo back to the Zoldyck mansion. It could be only because he's an obedient child devoted to his mother, but that may not be completely true. In the illustration explaining the relationships between the members of the Zoldyck family, Kalluto is shown to love his mother, but he is envious of Alluka, probably because of the strong bond she has with Killua. He is untouched by the rest of the family, almost ignored. Kalluto decides to leave home to join the Phantom Troupe in order to bring his older brother back. This may be to ultimately please his mother but there is a possibility that his goal is to make his relationship with Killua an existing one, even if negative.

    AppearanceEdit

    Kalluto has shoulder-length black hair and straight cut bangs. In the 1999 anime adaptation his eyes are violet, but they are pink in the 2011 version. There is a noticeable mole below the left corner of his mouth. He's of small build and usually seen wearing a woman's kimono.

    Gender ConfusionEdit

    There is a relatively common misconception that Kalluto is female because of his clothes and delicate appearance, but Kalluto is a boy:

    • Kalluto has referred to himself using the normally masculine pronoun boku (ぼく or 僕) multiple times[2][3].
    • His older brother Milluki calls him younger brother (弟)[4].
    • The 2004 Databook says that he is a boy with the tidbit: 「将来性豊かな着物少年 (!?)」 (lit. A kimono-wearing boy with a lot of prospects)[1].
    • It should also be noted that in the Hunter x Hunter universe, clothing is a mix of modern and past trends from many different cultures and can be very extravagant, therefore someone's gender cannot be assumed from the way they dress.

    PlotEdit

    Zoldyck Family arcEdit

    Kalluto doesn't have an active role in this part of the story. He just silently follows behind his mother.

    Edit

    Kalluto appears again in the Yorknew City arc, in which he and his great-great grandfather Maha assist his big brother Illumi in the assassination of the Ten Mafia Dons[5], who have placed large bounties on the Phantom Troupe's heads. He later acts as a decoy to help Illumi switch places with Hisoka in the Troupe's hideout[6], as Hisoka hires Illumi to disguise as himself so that he will be able to leave without being noticed and fight Chrollo Lucilfer[7][8].

    Greed Island arcEdit

    During the time the Phantom Troupe is on Greed Island in search of an exorcist, Kalluto is introduced again, this time as Hisoka's replacement in the Troupe[9]. It is his abilities that helped them successfully find the exorcist, Abengane. Even though he has a perfect Zetsu, his presence is still detected by Hisoka, who goes on to praise him for having a lot of potential.

    Chimera Ant arcEdit

    Several months later, when the Phantom Troupe attacks Zazan's colony in Meteor City, Kalluto fights a Chimera ant, and he kills him by slowly tearing him to shreds[10]. It is then revealed that he joined the Troupe with the intention of bringing back an older brother of his[11]. He anticipated that he would rise to the number 2 position in the Troupe very quickly, but is left in awe of the Phantom Troupe's combat proficiency and has to admit to himself that his own skills are still too lacking compared to theirs to achieve that objective. However, he swears to keep enduring until he can bring back his brother, no matter how long it will take.

    CombatEdit

    As a Zoldyck child who often participates in his family's assassination missions, it is probable that Kalluto has been trained since a very young age in assassination and possesses a strong resistance to poisons, a high tolerance to electricity, great agility and physical strength, and advanced assassination techniques.

    In the field of Nen, Kalluto is a Manipulator and he can manipulate paper, using a paper fan and confetti as weapons. His Nen abilities include:

    • Surveillance Paper Dolls: By attaching a piece of confetti to a person's body and creating a paper doll of that person, Kalluto can secretly listen to anything said within the vicinity of them[12].
    • Paper Fan Blade: With Shu, Kalluto can use a paper fan as a cutting instrument capable of cutting steel with ease[13].
    • Dancing Serpent's Bite (蛇咬の舞 (ダコウのまい) Meandering Dance): Whenever a piece of confetti finds a weak point on an enemy's body, Kalluto can send a concentrated stream of confetti snaking through the air, piercing into the weak point[14].

    TriviaEdit

    • According to Yoshihiro Togashi, Kalluto's design was inspired by Hotaru Tomoe from Sailor Moon[citation needed].
    • Kalluto appears earlier in the 1999 anime than in the manga. When Gon is about to be killed by Mike, he signals to Mike to come to his side by whistling, thus unintentionally saving Gon's life[15]. This occurrence is not in the manga.

    ReferenceEdit

    1. Cite error: Invalid tag; no text was provided for refs named
    2. ↑Vol 17, p. 111
    3. ↑Vol 22, p.43
    4. ↑Ch 323, p.3
    5. ↑Vol 11, p.132
    6. ↑Vol 13, p.18-19
    7. ↑Vol 12, p.183
    8. ↑Vol 13, p.46
    9. ↑Vol 17, p.114
    10. ↑Vol 22, p.58
    11. ↑Vol 22, p.87
    12. ↑Vol 22, p.35-36
    13. ↑Vol 22, p.42
    14. ↑Vol 22, p.42-44
    15. ↑Ep 33 (1999)

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